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发表于 2012-12-10 20:56:40 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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本帖最后由 雨田 于 2012-12-10 21:01 编辑

1.请问一下,我买的是BD公司的Th1/Th17的试剂盒、P-gp、Bcl2,有没有检测这几个指标的中文具体步骤呀?
2.“离子霉素”是粉末的吗?我买的是APOLLO的5mg,咋啥也没看到呀? 还有如何配置PMA和离子霉素的?(使用何溶剂?及配制的浓度是多少?)谢谢。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-10 21:03:09 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2012-12-10 21:16:54 | 显示全部楼层
1、Th1/Th17的试剂盒可以参照其说明书,上面的英文非常简单的啊。
至于P-gp是跨膜蛋白,现在多数厂商的抗体都是表面标记,跟普通的表面标记步骤一样:即孵育15分钟,裂解红细胞10分钟,离心5分钟即可。
Bcl2是胞内抗原,需要先固定表面标记,再破膜,最后染bcl-2,具体的固定、破膜步骤可参考你所使用的破膜剂说明书。英文说明不复杂的,你实在不会,可以扫描后把说明书的图片传上来,我们给你翻译下。

2、离子霉素(ionomycin)一般是粉剂的,PMA和离子霉素的配制方法见:http://www.flowcyto.cn/bbs/thread-844-1-1.html
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-11 20:58:29 | 显示全部楼层

谢谢老师指点,说明书以上传。

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发表于 2012-12-11 21:11:51 | 显示全部楼层
雨田 发表于 2012-12-11 20:58
谢谢老师指点,说明书以上传。

Bcl-2的说明书中关于染色方法的就这么一小段啊,是真的看不懂还是没耐心看?
Lyse 50 μL whole blood with 0.5 mL BD FACS™ lysing solution(Cat. No. 349202) for 10 minutes. (裂解)
Centrifuge and remove the supernatant. (离心去上清)
Add 0.5 mL BD FACS™ Permeabilizing Solution (Cat. No. 340457) and wait for 10 minutes. (破膜)
Wash with 0.5%bovine serum albumin (BSA) in 1X phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) and 0.1% sodium azide. (洗涤)
Add 20 μL of Anti–bcl-2 reagent. Mix thoroughly and incubate for 30 minutes in the dark at room temperature (20° to 25°C). (加入BCL-2抗体孵育)
Wash with 1X PBS with 0.1% sodium azide, add 0.5 mL of PBS, mix thoroughly, and analyze.(洗涤,离心去上清,加入PBS,上机)

If samples are not to be analyzed immediately, mix thoroughly just prior to analysis. Refer to the BD FACS Lysing Solution package insert.

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发表于 2012-12-11 21:20:24 | 显示全部楼层
P-gp前面也提过了,就是做表面染色,方法学也只有一小段,很简单的几个单词:

Add 20 µL of reagent to 50 µL of whole blood. (20µL抗体加入50µL外周血)
Mix thoroughly and incubate for 15 to 30 minutes in the dark at room temperature (20° to 25°C). (避光孵育15-30分钟)
Lyse the erythrocytes with 1 mL FACS™ Lysing Solution for 10 minutes. (红细胞裂解,也可以用氯化铵红细胞裂解液,配制方法见:http://www.flowcyto.cn/bbs/thread-206-1-1.html
Wash with 1X phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) with 0.1% azide, add 0.5 mL of 1% paraformaldehyde, mix thoroughly, and analyze. (洗涤,重悬,上机)
If samples are not to be analyzed immediately, mix thoroughly just prior to analysis.

CAUTION: All excess Anti–P-glycoprotein antibody must be washed out prior to intracellular staining to avoid nonspecific internal staining (注意:如果要做胞内染色,过量的P-gp抗体必须洗涤干净,否则容易造成非特异性染色)

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发表于 2012-12-11 21:25:44 | 显示全部楼层
Th1/Th17的Kit说明书确实有点长,今天暂时先不翻译,明后天帮你翻译一下,其实这些单词都很简单的,如果你肯用心对照词典,应该读下来也没有问题的。
A. Stimulation of the Cells
Various in vitro methods have been reported for polarization or stimulation of T helper cells subsets of which PMA (Phorbol ester) plus Ionomycin (Calcium Ionophore) has been particularly useful for quickly inducing and characterizing polyclonal cytokine-producing cells. For this kit we recommend the stimulation of normal PBMCs at a concentration of 1-10 million cells per ml in media for 5 hours with PMA/Ionomycin (at 50ng/ml and 1μg/ml respectively) in the presence of BD GolgiStop™ Protein Transport Inhibitor (provided in the kit or Cat #554724). Add 4 μl of BD GolgiStop™ for every 6 ml of cell culture and mix thoroughly. It is recommended that BD GolgiStop™ not be kept in cell culture for longer than 12 hours.

B. Staining of the Cells
1. Harvest of the Cells
Collect cells from in vitro stimulatory cultures treated with a protein transport inhibitor. Spin down cells at 250 x g for 10 minutes at room temperature (RT) and wash two times with stain buffer (FBS) (Cat# 554656). Count cells and transfer approximately 1 million cells to each flow test tube (Cat# 352008) for immunofluorescent staining. Cells should be protected from light throughout the staining procedure and storage.
2. Fixing the Cells
a. Spin down cells at 250 x g for 10 minutes at RT and thoroughly suspend cells with 1ml of cold BD Cytofix™ buffer (provided in the kit or Cat# 554655) and incubate for 10-20 minutes at RT.
Note: Cell aggregation can be avoided by vortexing prior to the addition of the fixative.
b. Spin down cells at 250 x g for 10 minutes at RT.
Note: After fixation, the cell pellet after centrifugation is loose and care should be taken when aspirating the wash buffer from the tubes. Do not aspirate ALL of the buffer but leave 50-150 μl of solution in the tubes to avoid cell loss for all subsequent wash steps below.
c. Wash cells twice at RT in stain buffer (FBS) and spin down the cells at 250 x g for 10 minutes at RT.
Note: Cells can be stored in stain buffer at 4°C for up to 72 hours or in 90% FCS/10% DMSO at -80°C for up to six months (for samples that need to be stored longer than six months, we recommend performing stability studies) .
3. Permeabilizing the Fixed Cells
a. For cells kept at 4°C, spin down cells at 250 x g for 10 minutes at RT and remove stain buffer.
b. For cells stored at -80°C thaw and wash twice with stain buffer (FBS) to remove DMSO.
c. Dilute 10x BD Perm/Wash™ buffer (provided in the kit or Cat# 554723) in distilled water to make a 1x solution prior to use.
d. Suspend cells in 1ml of 1x BD Perm/Wash™ buffer and incubate at RT for 15 minutes.
e. Spin down cells at 250 x g for 10 minutes at RT and remove supernatant.
4. Staining with the Cocktail
a. Thoroughly suspend fixed/permeabilized cells in each tube in 50 μl of BD Perm/Wash™ buffer and add 20 ul/tube of cocktail or appropriate negative control. Incubate at RT for 30 minutes in the dark. Cells should be protected from light throughout the staining procedure and storage.
b. Optional: Staining of Additional Cell Surface Antigens
Note: If instrument allows, optional multicolor staining of different cell surface antigens can be done at this time. Example: PE-Cy™7 CD3 (Clone SK7, Cat# 557851), V450 CD8 (CloneRPA-T8, Cat# 560347) and V450 CD45RA (Clone HI100, Cat# 560362) etc. For cell surface staining after fixation/permeabilization, suitable antibody clones that recognize denatured epitopes need to be identified.
Note: For antibodies that do not recognize fixed/denatured cell surface markers, it is recommended that staining be done on live cells PRIOR to fixation/permeabilization.
c. Wash cells twice with 1ml of 1× BD Perm/Wash™ buffer at RT and suspend in Stain Buffer (FBS) prior to flow-cytometric analysis.

C. Flow Cytometric Analysis
Set PMT voltage and compensation using unstained cells and appropriate cell surface markers or use BD™ Compensation beads (Cat #552843) as per the recommended protocol.
Note: It has been reported that CD4 expression on T cells is decreased after cell activation.
Note: Acquire at least 20,000 to 30,000 CD4 positive lymphocytes. Depending on the donor, frequencies of cytokine producing cells derived from activation of human PBMCs can vary widely for a particular cytokine. In order to make statistically significant frequency measurements, sufficiently large sample sizes should be acquired during flow cytometric analysis. Bivariate dot plots or probability contour plots can be generated upon data reanalysis to display the frequencies of and patterns by which individual cells co-express certain levels of cell surface antigen and intracellular cytokine proteins.

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发表于 2012-12-16 11:00:19 | 显示全部楼层
niwanmao 发表于 2012-12-11 21:25
Th1/Th17的Kit说明书确实有点长,今天暂时先不翻译,明后天帮你翻译一下,其实这些单词都很简单的,如果你 ...

@雨田  ,将其中大部分要点翻译了下,仅供参考,实验最终是否结果理想,更多地还是需要摸索!

A、刺激细胞
辅助性T细胞的极化或刺激方法各异,但PMA+离子霉素最常用。在这个kit中,我们推荐使用50ng/ml的PMA+1ug/ml的离子霉素,联合BD GolgiStop蛋白转移抑制剂,刺激PBMC(密度10E6-10E7/ml)5小时。

B、细胞染色
1、收集细胞:收集刺激过的细胞,250g室温离心10分钟,用FBS洗涤两次,计数细胞,使其浓度稀释至1×10E6/ml,转移至流式管中。
2、固定细胞
a、250g室温离心10分钟,以1ml冷BD Cytofix重悬,室温固定10-20分钟。(注:固定前务必振荡以防止细胞聚集)
b、250g室温离心10分钟。(注:固定后,细胞团块会比较松,洗涤时需要注意不要将团块吸出,可以在吸上清时留下50-150ul液体,尽可能减少细胞损失)
c、FBS室温洗涤两次,最后室温250g离心10分钟。(注:此时,细胞可用FBS保存在4℃最长72小时,或用90%FCS+10%DMSO保存最长6个月)
3、破膜:
a、对于保存在4℃的细胞,室温250g离心10分钟,去除FBS。
b、对于保存在-80℃的细胞,复苏后,用FBS洗涤两次,以彻底去除DMSO。
c、用蒸馏水稀释10×的BD Perm/Wash缓冲液至1×的工作液。
d、用1ml 1×的BD Perm/Wash缓冲液重悬细胞,室温孵育15分钟。
e、室温250g离心10分钟,去上清。
4、用抗体组合染色:
a、用50ul 1×BD Perm/Wash缓冲液重悬上述细胞,每管加入20ul抗体组合或合适的阴性对照。室温避光孵育30分钟。
b、如需染其它标记,可在这一步另外加上。
c、用1×BD Perm/Wash缓冲液洗涤两次,用FBS重悬,等待上机。

C、流式分析
以未染色细胞和标上合适表面标记的细胞设置PMT电压和补偿(亦可用BD的compensation beads)
(注:T细胞活化后,CD4的表达可发生较明显的降低;CD4+的淋巴细胞需至少获取20000-30000个;)

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-17 17:08:11 | 显示全部楼层
niwanmao 发表于 2012-12-16 11:00
@雨田  ,将其中大部分要点翻译了下,仅供参考,实验最终是否结果理想,更多地还是需要摸索!

A、刺激细 ...

十分感激,谢谢老师!再请教个问题:说明书上说刺激细胞5个小时,但我查文献上都要放在CO2培养箱中刺激培养的,我们这里由于条件问题做不了流式,标本都是那给别的医院做的,可是他们医院没有CO2培养箱,不能刺激培养,而且流式细胞机只有上午工作,下午不开机,我做的话要刺激一晚上细胞,第二天早上才能上机。想问的是刺激一晚上细胞会不会影响检测结果呀(比如IL17,INF)?
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发表于 2012-12-17 19:35:41 | 显示全部楼层
雨田 发表于 2012-12-17 17:08
十分感激,谢谢老师!再请教个问题:说明书上说刺激细胞5个小时,但我查文献上都要放在CO2培养箱中刺激培 ...

一般刺激还是需要遵循最佳的时间,这样才能相当于模拟正常的人类生理刺激,如果刺激时间过长或剂量过大,就类似于炎症或一些病理状态,就没法反映正常生理情况下的因子水平,而且可能造成细胞死亡。

至于刺激时的培养,肯定是需要在培养箱中继续的。
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