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[淋巴瘤免疫分型] 胰酶消化制备样品,对细胞的表型什么的有影响吗

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发表于 2013-10-28 15:07:46 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
到底胰酶等制备方法对细胞表型和功能有没有影响
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我看书上的新鲜实体组织的样品制备第一个就写的就是胰酶消化法,因此可以用于流式样本处理。

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既然是酶,肯定对样品表面的标记有影响,当然也有可能影响功能

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     楼主| 发表于 2013-10-29 20:31:59 | 显示全部楼层
    流式书上关于样品制备有提到,可以用胰酶处理流式样品;而有的人认为不能用胰酶处理流式样品,因为它会影响表型或者功能
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    发表于 2013-10-30 22:11:51 | 显示全部楼层
    这个投票的两个观点其实应该综合到一起,而不应该是对立的。
    应该说,胰酶消化对样本制备出的单细胞悬液活性有影响,从而影响到表面标记的表达,但是胰酶消化的标本是可以用在流式细胞术检测上的,否则你说贴壁细胞怎么做流式?物理方法?物理方法损伤更大。
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     楼主| 发表于 2013-11-1 08:52:42 | 显示全部楼层

    既然它影响标记,那我们检测样本,发现细胞标记变化的时候,有可能就是因为胰酶的影响,而出现假阳性或假阴性。对吗?
    特别是阳性标记或者阴性标记不是特别明显的时候
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    发表于 2013-11-1 11:33:37 | 显示全部楼层
    20071271 发表于 2013-11-1 08:52
    既然它影响标记,那我们检测样本,发现细胞标记变化的时候,有可能就是因为胰酶的影响,而出现假阳性或假 ...

    不是这个意思,而是由于胰酶对细胞的损伤,导致较多细胞死亡或细胞膜受损,故容易出现非特异性染色。不过可以通过死活细胞鉴别试剂或PI染料,可以将这些细胞排除掉,剩余的活细胞分析还是跟其它正常情况一样的。
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     楼主| 发表于 2013-11-1 11:57:27 | 显示全部楼层
    niwanmao 发表于 2013-11-1 11:33
    不是这个意思,而是由于胰酶对细胞的损伤,导致较多细胞死亡或细胞膜受损,故容易出现非特异性染色。不过 ...

    就是说,其实胰酶不会对细胞表面标记产生影响,对吧
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    发表于 2013-11-1 16:30:06 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
    20071271 发表于 2013-11-01 11:57:27


    就是说,其实胰酶不会对细胞表面标记产生影响,对吧

    是的,但是前提是要排除死细胞和碎片,否则这些细胞的非特异性染色会影响分析。
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    发表于 2013-11-4 14:54:22 | 显示全部楼层
    个人感觉只要是酶消化都会对表面标志有所影响,只不过随着选择的酶的种类、消化时间、温度等条件的影响对待测分子的影响不同而已,看老外文献上是有过类似的摸索的

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    发表于 2013-11-4 18:53:23 | 显示全部楼层
    dragonhzqsmmu 发表于 2013-11-4 14:54
    个人感觉只要是酶消化都会对表面标志有所影响,只不过随着选择的酶的种类、消化时间、温度等条件的影响对待 ...

    感谢@dragonhzqsmmu 站友的分享,确实跟酶有些关系。我将该文中的相关章节摘录如下:

    To separate individual cells from the plaques, we first used various collagenases that were first tested on PBMCs for preserving the cell surface markers CD3, CD4, CD16, CD45, CD45RA, CD197, CD28, CD27, HLA-DR, and CD38(研究了不同胶原酶对这些标记的影响).
    We treated PBMCs with collagenase XIs(这个酶影响较大) diluted at 5, 10, and 2.5 mg/mL. The lowest enzyme concentration resulted in the reduction of CD8 expression by 90% compared with nontreated cells. Also, the expression of CD4, CD3, CD27, and CD28 was reduced by 40%, 12%, 50%, and 42%, respectively. Because of these strong effects, the ability of this enzyme to liberate cells was not studied further.
    Second, we treated PBMCs with collagenase IV at 10, 5, and 2.5 mg/mL and noticed that at the highest concentrations, the expression of CD4 and CD8 were reduced by 29% and 23%, respectively. At 1.25 mg/mL collagenase IV, the surface markers expression was decreased by 4.9±3.4% compared with that on untreated PBMCs. Third, we treated cells with Liberase DL. At the concentrations of 62.5 and 31.5 μg/mL, CD4 was reduced by ≈70%, whereas at 15 μg/mL, the expression of this marker was reduced by only 20±7%. The expression levels of CD3, CD8, CD16, CD45, and HLA-DR were affected marginally.
    To liberate cells from atherosclerotic plaques, we applied enzymes at concentrations that did not grossly decrease expression of cell surface molecules in PBMCs. Freshly excised plaques were digested with collagenase IV (2.5 and 1.25 mg/mL) and Liberase DL (25 and 12.5 μg/mL) in the presence of 0.2 mg/mL DNase I for 1 hour at 37°C. The cells were then stained with monoclonal antibodies for CD45, CD3, CD4, and CD8. Collagenase IV at 1.25 mg/mL liberated more lymphocytes than did digestion with 2.5 mg/mL as evaluated by the relative amount of lymphocytes in the gate defined on side scatter (SSC) versus CD45 expression.
    On the basis of the relative lymphocyte (CD45+) yield, we chose treatment with collagenase IV for 1 hour at 37°C(这是最后选择的最佳 条件) as an efficient method to liberate lymphocytes from atherosclerotic plaques while largely preserving cell surface markers. We used this protocol in all our subsequent experiments described below. However, the concentration of the enzyme has to be adjusted for each enzyme batch and in our experiments varied between 1 and 1.25 mg/mL.
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     楼主| 发表于 2013-11-5 09:47:03 | 显示全部楼层
    dragonhzqsmmu 发表于 2013-11-4 14:54
    个人感觉只要是酶消化都会对表面标志有所影响,只不过随着选择的酶的种类、消化时间、温度等条件的影响对待 ...

    但又不能不用胰酶消化,怎么办呢,特别是染色都比较dim的情况下,如何是好
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